
Good old Life & Style is talking some more mess about drama going on between Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt's family. This time, the mag is saying that Angie's weight is the issue at hand. Reportedly, a recent family dinner at the Pitt home in Springfield, Mo. had waif-like Angelina only eating a slice of watermelon and a few grapes and she supposedly also skipped breakfast the following day.
A second family insider says the 5-foot-8 actress is down to just 95 pounds and suffers from headaches and dizzy spells. "She's wasting away, and Brad doesn't know what to do," says the second insider. "He's worried sick about her, but she refuses to eat."Holy crapola, that's skinny. I really hope she's a bit heavier than that. I'm the same height as her, and I think that's probably what my bones weigh. However, as one commenter on the article from L&S points out, the picture on their website of Angie looks doctored, so who knows if the story itself even holds any weight. Pun totally intended.




































T-Bone says:
Angelina needs mental health assistance -- all the way around. She's not facing her issues. She's running from them. She has 4 young children and a lot of responsibility. It's time to cut the act and get help.
lookwhaticando says:
I tell ya. The tabs just can't get enough of Angie and Brad, If not for them, their rag would no longer exsist because they would have no false stories to print about the hottest couple on the planet.
Mr. T says:
Maybe she'll just disappear. Ack, I am sick of this woman.
Angietothemax says:
So true L&S whole thing is coming up with new fiction about Brad & Angie. And they are never consistent it's always a different story every week. One week Brad and Angie are raising the kids apart the next week Brad and Angie are getting married. Whatever. I'm surprised no more pics I guess since the kids are out of school there's nothing for the paps to take pictures of .
green cardigan says:
'a second family insider'.....Hhhhhhmmmmmm, who could that be? Is Jane Pitt calling JA and whispering things like 'she only eat two crumbs of a granola bar yesterday....yeah, yeah, I'll get more hair, shhh, gotta go, she's coming!'
T-Bone says:
Whether Life & Style know what they're talking about or don't know what they're talking about, most of the photos I've seen indicate an eating issue. While she might be under a lot of stress with her mother's death and all of the responsibility of the children, movie-making and United Nations duties, she still needs to take care of herself. She owes the children that much.
Joh, says:
Why would he be distraught, he's used to it. Everyone he's with turns into a walking skeleton.
Paltrow and Aniston were a lot skinnier when they were with him too.
rootabega says:
Even more alarming than her weight- she has no left foot!!! did it fall off and she hasnt noticed?
green cardigan says:
I think Jane Pitt gave her left foot to JA for the new voodoo doll.
Clarisse says:
Fingers crossed that she "wastes away" a little faster cuz i'm tired of that cadaver being plastered everywhere. Those veiny zombie hands give me nightmares!!
Angietothemax says:
I still say she's pregnant.
Elaine says:
I'm going to have to agree with whoever said the picture on the Life & Style website looks a wee bit doctored, especially in her right arm. Her left arm looks a lot bigger than the right, at least to me. Either its photoshopped or she's quite disproportionate. If it isn't doctored, bitch has some serious issues.
That being said, her hair in that picture looks amazing. I would think that if she was as thin as they say, her hair would be falling out and disgusting, even with the help of professional stylists, but I'm no expert.
CU Next Tuesday says:
Angie has a peg leg! Ahoy!
meg says:
I'd agree that her hair looks really healthy. She probably has had a depression/food issue since her mother died, but there are things I've seen about her in recent interviews (like a vein in her forehead that got HUGE and scary looking during a daily show interview) and then I saw footage of her several years ago at a healthy weight, and her vein did the same thing, so I don't think she's got the extreme weight loss like Nicole Ritchie, and alot of those photos are probably doctored.
If a pitt family member or house staff member is really leaking details like that about the poor girl, they need to be fired or cut from the family gatherings.
Kat says:
5'8" and 95 pounds is much skinnier than nicole richie. i doubt she weighs 95 pounds.
I don't think so says:
Angelina Jolie does not weigh 95 pounds, so the rags have it wrong. With her height, her skeleton alone would put her weight higher than that. She's at least over 100 pounds, maybe 110. I've seen models who were skinnier than her who weighed more than 95 pounds.
I don't think she's anorexic. She's naturally thin. She doesn't have food issues. When she goes out for breakfast, she eats things like pancakes, bacon and eggs. I think it's her hectic, busy life that is pulling her weight off. Once she slows down and stays on one continent, she will gain a few pounds.
I think you're nuts says:
I don't think so said:
When she goes out for breakfast, she eats things like pancakes, bacon and eggs.
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And just how the fck would you know that? Psycho said what?
T-Bone says:
What I don't think so said:
Um - I sure hope you're her personal assistant. If not, that's just a little strange that you know what she eats and doesn't eat.
I don't think so says:
I think you're nuts said:
"And just how the fck would you know that? Psycho said what?"
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Because what Angelina Jolie ate while out at restaurants has been published before. That's how I know. She eats normal, healthy food. She doesn't diet. Women who have eating disorders are picky about their food, exercising alot, eating salads and the like. Jolie enjoys a good meal like the rest of us.
IMHO says:
Angelina may have an eating disorder, but it didn't evolve from stress. It's for attention. Every move she makes and every word out of her mouth is for media attention.
PS - as far as this being the "hottest couple on the planet", how screwed up IS your frame of reference!?!
Still think so says:
I don't think so said:
what Angelina Jolie ate while out at restaurants has been published before
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So, you don't believe what was published about her having an E.D., because it was published that she ate bacon. Got it.
I don't think so says:
I don't care if people call her crazy. Jolie may very well be running from emotional issues. I think she is not being completely honest with herself. But there are plenty of women who are thin who don't have eating disorders. I think people are just mad that she's seen as so beautiful and is able to lose weight (when she doesn't need to) and so many people in the world are overweight and can't control their eating. It's just another thing about her that makes people mad.
muffintop says:
The picture in Life & Style looks doctored to me... but that looks like her body. It looks like there is something in her right hand and it was cropped out... don't know why and really don't care.
That being said... I really don't give a good crap about Angelina Jolie or what that pussy-whipped girly-man does... let them both waste away...
Angietothemax says:
I know lots of women who lost a ton of weight because they broke up with their boyfriend so I can only imagine how one would feel if they lost their mother. I lost 15 pounds and it took almost a year to get my normal weight I went from 124 to 109 and I lost my appetite because by boyfriend had a new girlfriend. I didn't have a quarter of the stress that Angie goes through. Being in a relationship, 4 kids, movie work, UN work, adjusting to mother's death and so on. Although, I think she's pregnant but I think her weight loss is understandable if she wasn't. She's already lean to begin with so losing 10-15 pounds looks like a lot.
That is fake hair says:
That's not Jolie's real hair- its extentions. Shes been losing hair for the past year since her pregnancy. Her hairline has receded at least an inch, and there was a photo recently from the back that showed a bald spot on her scalp. I think she's more seriously ill (both mentally and physically) than anyone will admit.
I don't think so says:
IMHO -
Jolie does like attention. I'm not a huge fan, nor do I hate her, but I think it's obvious that she loves to be noticed. She purposely acts in ways that are different from everybody else because she likes to stand out... getting unusual tattoos on exposed body parts, adopting children from different countries, becoming a national spokeswoman, dating Brad, giving birth and refusing to marry him... she knows that by doing these things, people will talk about her. I believe her need for attention is somehow tied to her relationship with her dad.
green cardigan says:
Yes, I agree that a stressful event in your life can cause upset to your eating and sleeping habits and the general rhythm of your life.
For example, my dog died and I went from 315 pounds down to 250 pounds. I was like a whippet. A fraction of my former self.
Jeanie says:
THAT'S why I'm chubby. I don't have enough stress in my life. I would like to be more like Angie, but the adopt three children diet seems a little extreme to me.
jane says:
Better skinny than fat
lola says:
i ve heard she's on heroin. that'll waste you away.
Angietothemax says:
Well those must be some good extensions because if she's losing her hair that much the extensions aren't showing. Like with Britney, Nicole, Paris, and a few others who you can tell wear them.
green cardigan says:
I'm 130 pounds and 5'7". I just find it fascinating that everyone here can discuss someone's weight, height, hair, lips and we could be any shape or size and be from any walk of life ourselves.
Isn't technology amazing ? And I realised, I don't want for people to think I'm fat. Vanity! Even on cyber space!
T-Bone says:
I agree -- everything Angelina does is for attention, yet the dichotomy is confusing. It's as if she's saying
Look at me/ don't look at me
Love me/ I don't need your love
Accept me/ I don't want to be accepted
Make me famous/ no, I don't want fame
Marry me/ let me be free
See me as the Madonna/See me as a whore
I don't think this woman has any idea who she really is.
T-Bone says:
"For example, my dog died and I went from 315 pounds down to 250 pounds. I was like a whippet. A fraction of my former self"
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Laughing....
stolidog says:
H.E.R.O.I.N.
and who cares, it's her life.
Angietothemax says:
Like Angie said she just lives her life she's not responsible for anyone's interpretation of it.
Margaret says:
Pictures of Angie from this same photo shoot are on Punk Jared at the below link and she looks like a skeleton. Of course, JJ and the loons over there, don't see it, but you certainly can. As far as Pitt doing anything productive to help her - you jest!
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/06/25/pax-hugging-mickey-brett/
T-Bone says:
Well folks, that's where you're kind of wrong. It's not really just "her life". She has chosen to make her life quite public by getting into the movie-making industry, and she has chosen to adopt children from other countries at an alarming rate and she has chosen to be a United Nations Goodwill Ambassador, so no -- it's not really just "her life" we're talking about. She is responsible for quite a few other lives.
green cardigan says:
It's true what someone said on one of the comments above thar all of Brad's lady loves are thinner when they are with him, as if they weren't already slim enough. Maybe he's one of those guys who drops little comments like 'oh, those jeans are a little tight on you' or ' go easy there on the pudding'.
As he is so obviously taken up with his own appearance, i am sure he takes how his lady looks , as a reflection on himself.
Clarisse says:
Angie is definitely chasing the dragon.
P.S. Green Cardigan, you are on a roll today!!!
I don't think so says:
T-Bone:
I agree with your assessment. What you said is the very reason why I believe Angelina Jolie is not truthful with herself. I think Jolie's ACTIONS reveal that her "true" feelings are the formers of what you wrote. They are:
Look at me.
Love me.
Accept me.
Make me famous.
Marry me.
See me as the Madonna.
But she wants the world to "believe" her feelings are the latters:
Don't look at me.
I don't need your love.
I don't want to be accepted.
No, I don't want fame.
Let me be free.
See me as a whore.
"See me as a whore" is changing, though. I think she's getting away from the sexy image now and focusing more on trying to be like her mother. I think that now that her mother is gone, Jolie realizes that a very beautiful person left this earth without the recognition she deserved and Jolie really wants to honor her mother now.
One has to wonder why Jolie will not admit to being needy. She always talks about being "lucky, brave & bold," but she must be afraid of something.
Angietothemax says:
Jen and that whole Zone diet was not good. Gwyneth was always waif like and I can not reiterate how silly her and Brad looked with the matching haircuts. And Brad was ever the pervert when he was dating Juliette Lewis who at the time was16 at the time and he was 27. Ewww.
T-Bone says:
You're probably right, I don't think so... Chances are good she really is searching for love and acceptance, but she might be going about it the wrong way. Obviously, time will tell.
green cardigan says:
So Brad has always gone for women at least a decade younger than him. His serious girlfirnds anyway. Except Jen and he did the decent thing and married her.
Maybe it's a sign of immaturity on his part.
Angietothemax says:
I find it funny that if Angie were just your average celebrity just doing movies and not having a stand on anything and just shopping and carrying on she would be considered acceptable. But because she speaks out about her UN work and speaks on behalf of refugees and shares her experiences working with them she is some how wrong and like a bad person. Because she has chosen to adopted like a lot of other people she is viewed as a baby collector and a bad person for doing so. It just shows that people's opinions cannot matter because if you take them into consideration you won't be able to do anything.
T-Bone says:
But angietothe...you're missing one very important point. Angelina doesn't want to be just your average celebrity. She wants to be totally different. "Totally different" always draws attention --- good and bad.
green cardigan says:
I think the problem is, people are not convinced fully by her. I certainly am not. Ok, I'm not denying that she doesn't do good in her UN work and that she isn't generous in donating money, but there is a definite element of 'look at me, aren't I a wonderful humanitarian, take me seriously, I'm so intelligent and brave' to it all.
And she's not as nice as she'd like us to believe. She pursued a married man. She let him know she was there for the taking, and then to add insult to injury, she's been raving in magazines about how they had a connection blah blah blah while they worked together on Mr and Mrs. Shit. That is not the action of someone with heart. That is cruel. Whatever your opinion of JA is, she did not need to know that, nor did the public.
Angietothemax says:
I just think she's honest and blunt about her life. I think everyone is so used to the spin and hal answers that when someone just says what's on their mind they're suddenly controversial. She speaks on things a lot of people aren't willing to even think about. And for once I agree with Bill O'Reilly she is the most interesting celebrity right now.
T-Bone says:
I think you're right, Green. I'm certainly not convinced of her goodness. There's a dark, angry side lurking and sort of a teenage "I'm gonna do whatever I want to whomever I want" rebelliousness there as well. An eating disorder wouldn't suprise me a bit.
Angietothemax says:
I so want that to be cleared up because I like everyone else would like to know what really happened on that set. I just know in like 30 years they are going to make Angie's life story into a movie.And 10 years from now Angie will write a book about it. I know Brad left Jen in the summer of '04 he moved out. I think they made that one last attempt to work things out but honestly Brad didn't want to be married to her anymore. Honestly from the outside looking in they weren't growing together for 7 years and still doing the same exact thing. I think they were great friends but I think Jen was the safe stable bet for Brad. I n interviews when he would describe their relationship something was definitely missing I think them being together was something that made common sense and not much else.
Whatever! says:
30 YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, NO ONE WILL GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHORELINA.
SHE'LL HAVE OD'D, AND THOSE KIDS WILL ALL BE DRUG ADDICTS.
green cardigan says:
I can take a wild guess at what went on on the set of Mr and Mrs Shit. Angelina would arrive everyday in a cloud of Chanel perfume and with bedroom eyes start talking to Brad about Africa, while leaning in close for full impact. Brad, having never heard of Africa before, was dazzled by all this beauty and the grasp on geography. He was a goner from the first time she murmured 'I love the lions in Kenya'.
T-Bone says:
Yeah - Brad ain't no saint, that's for sure. And as for the "something missing" piece, it doesn't matter who you're with, when, where or how, after so many years of being with one person chances are good you're going to question whether you're happy and/or in the right place. It doesn't mean you have to leave for something else. After 7 years of being with Angelina, he might just find himself asking the same question.
Angietothemax says:
Green I love it! Don't forget about the monkeys as well Brad loves monkeys.
T-Bone says:
"Brad, having never heard of Africa before"
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I can see it all, green --- ;) good visuals!
Angietothemax says:
I hope they stay together because they actually make each other happy which I think they do. They challenge each other to be better and support whatever the other is doing. Neither are that caught up in their celebrity and they seem to be pretty down to earth. Besides in 7 years Brad will be 50 with like 12 kids who else is going to help with those kids?
green cardigan says:
He sort of resembles one doesn't he? The arms hanging down to the knees does it.
T-Bone says:
According to Green's calculations, Angietothe... when Brad is 50, he might need to find someone 25 (to fill the emptiness, of course).
Angietothemax says:
Green he does when he gives like this sly smile.
Clarisse says:
Green Cardigan,
I think you hit the home-wreckin' nail right on the head.
Pitt isn't smart enough to pursue anyone. She wanted him, she hunted him, and she got him.
Angietothemax says:
Yes T Bone because by that time he'll be having his 10th mid life crisis. But that child support is going to be a b!#ch though. In this case it might be cheaper to keep her.
green cardigan says:
And that cute Fedora. I can see him on stage! Doing the Monkey Gibbons! When his movie career goes into freefall and he has 17 children to feed and no other income. He'll know all about Africa then!
wow says:
i just want to say that for those who are saying that she is "anorexic for attention"- please stop.
anorexia nervosa is a very, very serious disease that is not voluntarily taken on to "get attention." the women (and even men) who suffer from it do so due to a complex interaction of biological and environmental factors. It is a disease that starts out very slowly, very unassuming, and then quickly becomes a serious illness.
No one just "chooses" to be anorexic, or does it for attention. People with anorexia go to great lengths to hide the fact that they are not eating, often pretending to consume food, ordering/preparing normal food portions and throwing it away, etc. They don't just announce to everyone that they are having a grape for dinner. They also often exercise excessively and employ the use of laxatives and diuretics to further their weight loss.
It is precisely these thoughts...i.e., it's done for attention, etc. that contributes to the stigma people with anorexia face. treat anorexia like the real disease it is, and treat its victims with respect and dignity. they are people with a sickness who need to get better, not people seeking attention.
that said, i don't believe she is suffering from anorexia. the tabloids hate her and will do anything to trash her.
beverly penn says:
T-Bone, I'm with you. She is inflicting her own issues onto the poor kids. It's great that she is trying to save the world one third country at a time but charity begins at home, i.e., yourself, by which I mean by becoming an adult, addressing denial and accepting yourself, and until she does that I think she is a terrible role model for girls. And Madonna.
Jen says:
green cardi, your post about the 'shhh shes coming!' made me laugh outloud!! thanx u made my morning :-)
better_skinny says:
better skinny than fat
CU Next Tuesday says:
interesting, i think her whole push/pull trick is working on all of us. We hate her but she occupies our brain space.
She is simutaneously giving and cruel.
if anyone remembers, she she stole Billy Bob as well. Laura Dern had the pleasure of discovering her man ran out on her by reading it in a magazine and then was forced to watch as their disgusting relationship ran it's course.
sound familiar?
and the great irony in all of it is she refuses to talk to her father for running out on her mother.
I am ashamed I know any of this.
Mizz Thang says:
And anyone is surprised that she's THAT selfish? She steals men, takes drugs in secret, won't eat, and keeps obsessively adopting children. What will happen when she finally disappears (hope, hope)? Maybe Brad and Jen will pick up where they left off-- ha!
jen says:
I know when they were filming m&ms there were rumours of them holding hands on set, walking around in their bath robes together - I believe their response was they were "in character". I'm sure Angie's "in character" a lot of the time on set - hence all her affairs/husband stealing issues. The only reason they travel together is trust or lack there of.
And I think it was Maddox who swung the deal for Angie's Brad pursuit - she knowingly used her own kid to lure someone else's husband. Pretty low - but it makes her no different then millions of other manipulative women. She wouldn't have been the first "beautiful" person to flirt with Brad - she had to have that extra bit to peak his interest. Before that point I actually used to think she was unique - that she did stand for individualism.
cadebra1961 says:
I think I'll have to enter Skankelina in my death pool at deadpool.rotten.com. If we're lucky, she won't be seeing 2008.
EAD says:
I'm loving T-bone!
This picture or any other for the last month show dramatic weight loss and she's admitted to it, because of recent stuff (Mom, etc.). But that's been at least a month ago and there should have been some weight gain by now. Don't know if the "story" around it is true, but there seems to be a problem there whether it's control, or attention I hope for the sake of her kids she fixes it fast.
megan says:
Dear T-BoneHEAD,
With your obsession on Angelina Jolie, I would not be suprised if you have all her pics and interviews and rag article that has ever been written about her, So I'm kind of suprised with a lot of your misguided conslusions and delusions.
You all are so obsessed with her yet you claim to hate her or is it you hate her because you are obsessed with her...
I think Angelina Jolie is one of the most beautiful if not the most beautiful woman on earth. Yes...she is a little skinny at the mommet but even that skinny she still radiates that geogeousness and sensuality that most woman only dream off (that's why most of you morons hate her isn't it)
I hope she gets back to her comfortable weight but I'll take her the way she is.
ZeldaF
H.E.R.O.I.N.
and who cares, it's her life.
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With all due respect, can't disagreem more! It's stopped being "HER" life when she adopted that first baby! Her life belongs to those children, 100%. She made that commitment!
ZeldaF
disagreem : before anyone slams my typo... DISAGREE.......
gm says:
If you look at her very receding hairline it is obvious that she has extensions- not to mention that her hair "grew" by 4-6 inches and increase volume triplefold in just a few months. It's easy to forget the celebrities have millions with which to "fix" their appearance.
gm says:
If you look at her very receding hairline it is obvious that she has extensions- not to mention that her hair "grew" by 4-6 inches and increase volume triplefold in just a few months. It's easy to forget the celebrities have millions with which to "fix" their appearance.
iren33 says:
It is clear she suffers because of she stole the man of other woman and fears to lose him because she knows it was foully.
stucknowhere says:
I don't know why people keep referring to her as the most beautiful woman in the world. Perhaps a better way of putting it would be the most, or one of the most, beautiful famous people in the world. There are plenty of beautiful women who are not famous. That does not make their beauty any less. Just thought I would give my two cents. P.S. my mom thinks she looks deformed to her. Everyone has their tastes.
Zekers says:
Hey Green-
I don't know what you were drinking yesterday...you were f*cking hilarious!!! I sure enjoy you!
For what it's worth-I don't know how anyone can say that Jolie is not attention-seeking...you'd have to be Helen Keller not to notice, heck, even Helen would notice!
Angietothemax says:
Even if she is an attention seeker at least she's bringing other matters other than herself to the table. If you watch one of her interviews you usually learn something about what's going on around the world. Be it in Africa, Cambodia, Vietnam, or Columbia. Like she said she was most unhappy when her career took off and she was given all this attention and she didn't think she was worthy of it. I mean she so easily could've been a Hollywood tragedy. Dying too young ala River Phoenix and numerous others.
T-Bone says:
Dear Megan, I think you need a hug and some relaxing chamomile tea. I don't see "hatred" in any of my posts. I just see it as it is. Sometimes her "fans" can't see "the forest through the trees". I guess she's going to have to end up face down before you all realize there's a problem here.
green cardigan says:
Hey guys, I'm auditioning for a BrangLoon position , tell me if I sould convincing.
Angie is the most fabulous woman in the world! I love her! I never EVER turn off the little light over her shrine in my bedroom. I think eventually she'll be made a Saint. Our first living Saint. St.Angie, I place all my trust in you. You are all haters , HATERS I tell you!! Jennifer Aniston is a man with a beard. Fug Fug, Can't keep a man. Brad is the luckiest man in the world! Oh, to be under his little fedora!
What do you think, convincing?
Patty says:
....Jolie is "losing her hair", suffers "uncontrollable shaking" and is plagued by blinding headaches. Jolie's brother James Haven has publicly stated he is worried about his sister's health, though he was more concerned with her shocking weight loss since giving birth to baby Shiloh last May This is from a quote by her brother James Haber recently....he also claims she feels "guilty" eating when so many have no food to eat...now that's mental
letty says:
A big problem is knowing what are direct quotes and what are quotes made up by magazines.
If AJ is restricting her food intake because others are starving, then yes, that is an eating disorder. Sounds like a control issue. Anorexia is a mental illness and a lot of times it is about control. Anorexics feel powerful because they are able to stop eating in spite of their ravenous appetites.
Well, we will know for sure if AJ really is starving herself on purpose. Brad won't want that for his children.
Nana says:
I am a granny who can totally relate to Angelina.
A lot of what she does is age specific normalcy I remember well. Problem is most of us sell out...
Busy young moms don't have lots of time to eat...
Grieving daughters often aren't ravenous...
Mental associations (hungry children)can curtail food intake...
I could go on but you kids should get the point.
She looks healthy! And this is exactly how clueless the media was when she was pregnant with Shiloh. NOT that she is showing a bump...
silly girl says:
5'8" and 95lbs is not fat, it's gorgeous!
Get a life you fat pigs
twokids says:
She sure is getting uglier by the minute. She better start gaining some weight if she still wants Brad to find her sexy, cause right now she is just skin and bones. And other thing, I know loosing someone can be traumatic, but she has 4 little kids to bring hapiness to her life, so she better get her act together and stop pretending that she can't live without her mother, cause she surely can. She was never with her mother to begin with, until her final year or so. So, she is just a show. Again, she has a big head, no ass, skinny legs, no tits, no hair, veiny arms and forehead. So, do anyone still find pretty the description that I just gave? Certainly not me.
twokids says:
She sure is getting uglier by the minute. She better start gaining some weight if she still wants Brad to find her sexy, cause right now she is just skin and bones. And other thing, I know loosing someone can be traumatic, but she has 4 little kids to bring hapiness to her life, so she better get her act together and stop pretending that she can't live without her mother, cause she surely can. She was never with her mother to begin with, until her final year or so. So, she is just a show. Again, she has a big head, no ass, skinny legs, no tits, no hair, veiny arms and forehead. So, do anyone still find pretty the description that I just gave? Certainly not me.