There's A War On But The Network Brass Doesn't Want Sally Field Telling You About It

I used to love Sally Field, but now find her incredibly overly dramatic (both on screen and off). And something tells me that if the "mothers of the world" and their children were being provoked and attacked (with lives and rights threatened)old Sally would be the first to fight.

Irrefutable proof that our most precious rights as Americans are being undermined - The neocons have done hachet job on our rights to ensure a few profit at the expense of the majority. Sad.

I wonder how long it will be before jackboots start dragging disenters out of their homes holding them with out a right to representation, or a speedy trial? Oh yeah...

I believe she was cut because she went too long AND she said "god dammed war."

As to dragging people out of bed - the communists did that plenty and they are certainly not right-wingers.

Thank you T-Bone. Fighting for your country when it's attacked does not make you a jesus-freak retard. On a personal note: as a marine, it's nice to know that what I went through over there was greatly appreciated by those of you at home. Christ.. I'm all for free speech, but a lot of people are using it to criticize US, not them. How cowardly is that?

I know plenty of marines who would gladly come home and leave you all to your own devices, if you HONESTLY think it's pointless for us to be there...

This post pissed me off more than anything I've seen since coming home. So ignorant.

Oh jesus fucking christ, people, she got bleeped because she said GODDAMN, not because Bush controls the Emmys.

And to all the raving nuts out there who think that evil neocons are going to send jackbooted thugs to take you away, you know who you assholes sound like? The crazy militia members in the 90's who were hiding in the hills because the UN was sending black helicopters to spy on them.

She got her ass censored for saying goddamn on national television, not because of the war comment.

"our President is a Jesus freak retard."

I L.O.V.E. Y.O.U. J. H.A.R.V.E.Y.

UnFreakinBelievable. Now they are saying that Hollywood is in league with Bush. This is the same Hollywood that fawns endlessly over Hillary Fuckham Clinton even after she has the unmitigated gall to call Gen Petraeus a liar in front of the senate and disparages every man and women in uniform fighting for this country. PHUCK you left wing ADD pricks who think this war is about oil and big business - you have no memories whatsoever of what started this war in the first place and have somehow re-written history to blame it all on the president. The bad guys in this scenario are the phucking ALLAH-freaks over THERE, not the Jesus freaks over here.

Dumbasses.

Ride Lo

ahahah, PSYCHOS! isn't there a pro-war message board you can all post on?

Yes Yes Yes, the war is just, we were attacked, this isn't about oil, etc etc etc.

NEXT!

STFU Sally/Gidget, get off your soapbox, say thank you for an award you didn't deserve and go the fuck home. Thank you. That is all.

I'm posting this under a different name than usual b/c I'm going to get my ass ripped apart for saying this...

1) I think she got censored for dropping GD on tv.
2) I AM AGAINST THIS WAR
3) I THINK BUSH IS A MORON
4) PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE INVADED IRAQ?
5) I UNDERSTOOD ABOUT GOING AFTER BIN LADEN.
6) I WAS SADDENED GREATLY BY 911.
7) I no longer say the pledge of allegiance or fly the flag.
8) I no longer believe in what this country is standing for.
9) I want nothing more than for the troops to come home. I have relatives and friends in Iraq right now, and I want nothing more for them to be safe and be home.

and... personally...

10) I think we had 911 coming to us. I'm NOT saying 911 was right by any means, and I think the people who did it have a special place in hell right now (although they do not beleive in hell from my understanding of their religion).

11) I do not think we are going to be attacted by terrorists anytime soon. We will be attacked again, no doubt, but no time in the near future. I think MANY of us have been controlled by fear that is, seemingly, placed by the media. This includes what is said in the speeches given by the president.

12) I do not think by helping the Iraqi people achieve the same freedoms as the U.S. is going to protect ours any more.

So before you go telling me I need to support our president and this war, please realize that you will never accept my opionion any more than I will accept yours. We will each think we are right on our own grounds.

That being said- FUCK BUSH.

If you critize the war on FOX, you get censored - simple as that.

I have family serving in this war. If I was told I could not say something negative about the war, told to shut up or else, my family serving in the war would be pissed! What the hell do you think they are fighting for in the first place?

Anyone who is able to justify this war isn't being honest with themselves.

Good for her. She's right. This war is out of control and we need to stop pretending it's not there.

War isn't solving terror.

she got censored for dropping the GD.

And I personally believe if women ruled the world there would be MORE war. Ever been to a clearance sale? Women are ruthless.

"We had 9/11 coming to us"? You are a pscychotic asshole who cannot be reasoned with. If you can't say the pledge of allegiance and can't fly the flag, find somewhere else to live - I promise we won't miss you.

Ride Lo

Anne Coulter is disguising herself as LoRider again, huh?

Sarah - thank you for your service - I believe we ARE safer because of bravery displayed by you and your fellow warriors.

the woman was censored for saying GD, NOT because of her very mild rant about the war.

And those of you who hate America so much, if you are still living here, there are many other countries on this earth who will gladly accept your citizenship. Pack a bag. Get out.

And to stupidly believe that we will NOT be attacked again is a joke. The Bearded One JUST said that it will happen on one of his little tapes he likes to send out. HOW exactly did we have 9-11 'coming to us'??? The stupidity of some people on here is mind-bending.

I personally don't need anyone killing another person for me. So, yes troops please come home and leave "us" to our own devices. There are certainly times when you have to be physical but there are also times when you have to be realistic when its not working. There is a difference between respecting the sacrifice made by the troops and not believing in the war that they are fighting. I don't see why people don't understand this. I don't support the war but I also don't want our troops or Iraqi citizens to be slaughtered. And I am sorry you can not hold a whole nation responsible for a group of radicals. How were these Iraqis suppose to stamp out terrorist when we with all of our guns and money can not? If we are hold members of the larger group responsible for the actions of some, then all males over the age of 18 need to be lined up...to answer to the countless rapes committed during times of war or just whenever the opportunity arrives. Is this okay? And yes our soldiers rape women too.

I agree with you "just a thought". You have the right to think it and speak it just as those who disagree with us do. Sally Field has a right to say what she believes. I happen to agree with her also. I cry every morning when I read the newspaper reporting how many died in Iraq the day before. Disagreeing with this war in no way indicates not supporting our troops...those are our kids who dying there. Every one of them has a mother who raised them with her heart and soul invested in that child. It is our blood that is being shed there....we have a right to speak and be heard.

Uhm, can the editors of this website block out all commenters from the flyover states? They act as if the terrorists are coming for their corn silos. It's us on the coasts who are at danger and we still believe in free speech no matter what. Serving in the military does not give one carte blanche to hinder others who want to speak their minds.

Exactly, the fact that she was censored had NOTHING to do with what she was saying and EVERYTHING to do with how she said it. Seriously, how many celebrities have talked about ending wars or freeing Tibet and so on on award shows???? HUNDREDS/THOUSANDS??? And they haven't been censored at all. She was bleeped out because she said "God-damn".
But I digress -- Sally Field's comment was simplistic at best and had no merit, whether you're for or against this war. Because NO ONE can say WHAT they would do if their children's lives and rights were threatened. And I truly believe that a mother would fight first if her kids were in danger. So her comment was ridiculous, in my opinion of course.
And sorry folks, some good things have come from war including,
the end of slavery
the United States
the end of Adolph Hitler
Democracy
Human Rights
the end for many tyrannical rulers
religious freedom
And much more.
Some things are worth fighting for, and freedom is one of them.

jl - you're comment shows how ignorant you are and nothing more or less. All of it affects all of us.

YOUR COMMENT -- whoops...

If someone has to explain to you why we're at war you need to wake up and lay off the drugs. Duh. And anyone that doesn't back the war has never lost someone from a terrorist act. Thank God we have men and women that will protect the ones that are too ignornat to see they're fighting for us, and the ones that care nothing about anyone but themselves are too selfish to thank the ones that protect you anyway.

TBone...do you really think that a mother of a soldier fighting in Iraq does not feel HIS or HER life is being threatened?
You said:

"Because NO ONE can say WHAT they would do if their children's lives and rights were threatened. And I truly believe that a mother would fight first if her kids were in danger."

Newsflash....our kids are in danger in Iraq and coming home in boxes for us to bury. You are the one being "simplistic at best". Ms Field voiced an opinion shared by many of us. They cut her off because free speech today is a myth.

T-Bone,

Why do you insist on posting comments more than anyone else? As if your opinion is so much more important?

So sorry your Zoloft isn't working.

LindaB - Sallie Field said "I really think that if mothers ruled the world we wouldn't be sending our children off to be slaughtered". I'm proposing the other side. What if all of those mother's children were actually being slaughtered RIGHT HERE, or in Uganda or in Rwanda or in Iraq or in Bosnia or in Germany or Israel --- would all of the "mother's of the world" still choose not to fight????????? What I'm asking is this -- -is there nothing worth fighting for?????????

There he goes again, self-righteous prick.

I am so sick and tired of celebrities using award shows to express their political views. We all know there is a war...we hear about it every day on the news. If she wants to talk about her views on the war, write a column or go on a talk show. It is not the place.

Doesn't matter if you're prowar or antiwar you still have the right to express your opinion out here and elsewhere. People can say as much as they want or as little as they want as often as they want. Quit being facists and trying to control how many times a person comments.

TBone...I hear your point of view. I truly believe that politics has more to do with wars then causes. Truthfully I have a hard time reconciling why Hilter was not stopped BEFORE he slaughtered 6 million Jews. I believe in dipolmacy primarily because I don't believe the safety of any of us can be achieved by fighting wars...especially in this nuclear age. What we appear to be doing is creating MORE enemies and they have or soon will have the means to attack us with weapons of true mass destruction on a large scale. I don't believe war in Iraq has or will make us safer it has just consumed our resources(and so many young lives), established us as bullies around the world and caused us to entrench ourselves in a civil war (we created) for years to come. This war has weakened our country not made it stronger. However I respect your point of view and appreciate the dialog.

MM (T-Bone), stop twisting shit. I'm not hacking the system to block you from commenting.

Your comment abuse is the equivalent of screaming and talking over someone in a debate. It's childish and, frankly, sad.

Try to get out of the house today, will you?

Interestingly enough the Emmy's "censored comments by Ray Romano, Katherine Heigl and Sally Field" (yahoo news). I'm not sure why everyone was censored? Did they all talk about the same thing or drop words not allowed? (I didn't watch the emmy's)

LindaB- Hitler was not stopped b/c he gave the people hope and lead them to believe they would have a brighter future. By the time people wanted to stop him he had grown into this mass power with hundreds of followers.

You also have to remember that at the time, what was going on inside the concentration camps was not as widely known as it is now.

On another interesting history note- the U.S. had concentration camps after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Nothing like Hitler's, more of a round up place to keep the Japanese that were in the U.S.

Thank you, LindaB. Some people out here would prefer not to hear varying or opposing opinions, and they try to stop others from commenting by calling them "self righteous" and other such names. I don't think that's the way to learn anything. I prefer to hear everyone's side and then banter. HEY -- we're still free to speak in this country. The KING isn't going to come anytime soon and accuse us of treason ;)

So very funny, "Tbone's a jerk" poster. You don't even have the balls to use your own username. What does that say about you and your opinion? Use YOUR OWN username and THEN comment.

Balls? Oh, yeah, you're REAL TOUGH. Like I know exactly who you are because you use the name "T-Bone". Put in your address if you're such a bad ass, you freakin nerd.

I just think you're an idiot shut-in. That's my opinion :)

my take?...

though I consider myself "anti-war", I think that the emmy's are not the place to rant about it. any awards show, for that matter. and I am pretty sure that she was censored due to the "GD" part, not her views.

that being said...

those of you who are "pro-war" and are telling those anti-war folks to "get out of the country", are you yourselves actually taking the position AGAINST free speech? you continuously talk about "what they're fighting for" but then tell the people expressing the right "they're fighting for" to get out of the country? we don't hate america, we LOVE this country and are saddened by what's happened to it.

we were justified in going to afghanistan...their government certainly looked the other way regarding al-qaeda, even facilitated their existence, and if they weren't going to hunt them down, we had to. HOWEVER, there was NO reason to go to Iraq, as they had ZERO to do with 9/11. Yes, we remember 9/11, but we also remember that iraq WAS NOT INVOLVED. first, it was the bogus assertion that they had WMDs...when that was looking less and less likely to be true, this admin "re-wrote history" and told us we went there to "liberate the iraqi people". (where we should really start that liberation in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia...!) and what happened to "no nation building"?

"mission accomplished"? "greeted as liberators"? "the insurgency is in it's last throes"? we are constantly being lied to by this admin about the reasons we went and the way things are "progressing" there.

is establishing democracy in iraq worth the lives of the american soldiers dying? (considering the gov't won't equip them adequately...) it is worth the billions of dollars that we've spent? billions going to companies like Haliburton and others (much of which is unaccounted for...) while our soldiers go without armor for their vehicles and themselves?

I don't think so. but that's just my opinion, and I'm entitled to it, just as those with differing opinions are entitled to theirs.

and those of you telling dissenters to "get out of the country" are pretty blatant hypocrites.

I love how the people who disagree with me, T-Bone and any other supporter of the war resort to sucker punching us on a comment board. You can't think of a logical response to us, so you resort to kindergarten name-calling? The gyst of your argument goes something like this:

Pro-war: Sure, war sucks. But the situation is so bad that we can't simply ignore it.

Left-wingers: Freedom of speech! Don't sensor me! I have freedom of speech so I can say whatever ignorant comment I want! Freedom of speech!

Pro-war: Yeah, you wouldn't have that if war hadn't taken place.

Left-wingers: Oh yeah? Well...... your mom!

Fox is all about the censoring.

It wasn't censored on the Canadian feed. We can handle nasty words like that. What's more offensive is Two and a Half Men being nominated. Who's with me?

Sarah and All the Others who have served this country, a very heartfelt, grateful, Thank You. Your sacrifices are greatly appreciated.

T-Bone: As usual, I completely agree with your comments on freedom, this war, and this administration. Once again, your comments bear substance, unlike so many of the irrational, nasty, juvenile attacks you counter.

Just a Thought: I find it incredible that you choose to post under a "nom de plume of a nom de plume". That's cowardice. That said, I truly hope that your friends and relatives come home from Iraq safe & sound. For the rest of your comments, I refer to the responses of Sarah, Ugh & T-Bone.

Sally Field, as anyone else has the right to express her opinion. But for crying out loud, it's AN AWARDS SHOW. It's not an anti war rally, where one chooses to be with others of the same sentiment. I vehemently resent the fact that these celebrities use this podium to shove their politics down everyone elses throat. Frankly, I just want to watch to see who wears what and then be able to commend or make fun of them the next day on ASL. I don't want them shoving their liberal, whining down my throat.

Anyway, we all know, there is no love stronger than that of a mother. Mothers will give their lives to save that of their child. Once again, Sally was expressing the same, naiive, idealistic view as most of the Hollywood bunch.

Just because we want to watch you act, doesn't mean I want to listen to your political views. If you come to the hospital to get well, should you endure MY political views as a form of free speech? Don't think so.

Just because we want to watch you act, doesn't mean I want to listen to your political views. If you come to the hospital as one of my patients, should you endure MY political views as a form of free speech? Don't think so.

LindaB and Applespice -Hitler was democratically elected and had plenty of support from word go.

It seems to me that war always seems a good idea at the time. It's later that people realise the true cost.

FYI-
She was censored because she said God-damned war which is something not allowed to be said on network tv. Also you can look back on the clip when Katherine Heigl wins for Best Supporting Actress she says shit as she is getting up to walk up to the stage and they cut away to the same shot as with sally field. Yes you are granted freedom of speech but there are rules with the language that one is allowed to use on network primetime tv. Therefore they were not censoring her because her speech was anti-war but do to the fact that everyone even those sitting in their living room new she was going to drop a g.d. comment. Go back and look at the Heigl footage and you will see the same cut away as well and she wasn't ranting about the war.

FYI-
She was censored because she said God-damned war which is something not allowed to be said on network tv. Also you can look back on the clip when Katherine Heigl wins for Best Supporting Actress she says shit as she is getting up to walk up to the stage and they cut away to the same shot as with sally field. Yes you are granted freedom of speech but there are rules with the language that one is allowed to use on network primetime tv. Therefore they were not censoring her because her speech was anti-war but do to the fact that everyone even those sitting in their living room new she was going to drop a g.d. comment. Go back and look at the Heigl footage and you will see the same cut away as well and she wasn't ranting about the war.

sorry 'g' thats me. Don't want anyone thinking I'm a wuss!

gee sarah, one could just as easily say "I love how the people who disagree with me and any other non-supporter of the war resort to sucker punching us on a comment board. You can't think of a logical response to us, so you resort to the old "why don't you just leave the country" line."

if you actually read some of the comments, you'd see that what you said is simply not true.

as is what I responded to YOUR post with.

treat people as individuals, don't lump us all in together. I seriously doubt you'd like to be aligned with EVERYTHING the "pro-war" folks believe.

and btw, the situation being "so bad over there", as you stated, is partially our fault.

Sarah, the situation is so bad NOW in Iraq because we made it that way. Clearly, the Iraqis were much better off BEFORE we invaded. Yes, they lived in a dictatorship, but so do hundreds of millions in the rest of the world.

Sara, et al., there was NO reason to invade iraq.
There were never any WMDs and the administration knew that for years before we invaded....If Bush genuinely thought that there was a single WMD over there things certainly would have unfolded differently. Remember how, prior to the invasion, every republican talking head was saying there was no way for the inspectors to find the weapons because the iraqis had them hidden in hospitals and mosques and schools? Remember? Well, I think we can all remember the mass riots and looting that broke out all over the country minutes after we entered Baghdad. Every school and hospital in the country was ransacked and looted. Now, if you believe for one hot second that the president would allow that looting to happen if he actually believed that that WMDs were hidden in the very same building that were getting stripped down to the floorboards, you're not very smart.

Oh, and the terrorists didn't come from Iraq. Iraq has no connection to 9/11 in any way, shape or form. Tragically, if there's another attack on America, the terrorists probably will be Iraqi, because we've made them into terrorists.

As y'all say over there in the good ol' US of A, I'm hearin' ya, stolidog.

Personally speaking, I don't think anyone should have invaded Iraq under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction". A dictator murdering hundreds of thousands of his own people should have been enough to go on, but that's my opinion of course. I'm a freedom kind of person, so I don't think there should be kings, queens, dictators, and the likes. The people need to be free to elect who they want in government, and if that person turns out to be a murdering son of a b*tch -- toss him/her.

Congress voted to go to war. That vote included both parties, not just the Republican party. Hitler was democratically elected. But I'm absolutely certain he didn't use "I'm going to send this world into a war and wipeout millions of people" as his platform. That came after he was empowered; which is way it usually happens. There were no WMD found in Iraq, but Iraq IS a training ground for terrorist activity. Saddam had to be removed; whatever the excuse was. He was guilty of decades of genocide, hundreds of thousands of murders. Yes, there are those who claim the US is a bully but there they are, knocking at our door, demanding we defend them (not only from The US, but others) if their liberties are threatened. Think WWII, think Kosovo. No one person has the right to be a dictator and murder hundreds of thousands. And remember, Congress voted to go to war, Bush had the vote.

t-bone, legit question...

regarding what you just wrote, do you then think we should invade ALL dictatorships or monarchies where the citizens are being slaughtered, and depose their leaders? like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, or several other countries in Africa? if not, then why Iraq as opposed to any other country where the same thing is happening?

while I agree with you in principle, it's not feasible for the U.S. to invade every country where this is happening and try to install a democracy.

P.S. In my opinion, "terrorists" don't come from an actual "place" per se as much as a mindset. Islamic fundamentalist extremism in the form of anti-west, anti-Israel sentiment is EVERYWHERE and not just in Afghanistan.

"And those of you who hate America so much, if you are still living here, there are many other countries on this earth who will gladly accept your citizenship. Pack a bag. Get out."

I will help them pack!

I didn't even bother watching..i had a feeling our soliders and President would be bashed. Now looking at the low ratings i can see i was not the only one who skipped it.

Nastybugger -- That's a multi-dimensional question ;) I personally think Democracy is the best way to a free society, yes. But no, I don't feel the need to invade England and its monarchy/prime minister governing style because at this time they are not ruling their people tyranically or committing genocide of sorts. If they were, I would say yes -- it's worth fighting against. Having said that, it's not really feasible to attack all non-democratic societies, but we certainly should never turn our backs on genocide. But is it my hope that all nations move towards democracy and freedom for all people everywhere? Yes.

i think this is interesting, coming from Alan Greenspan:

Iraq War and Oil

In another potential embarrassment for Bush and the Republicans, Greenspan asserted that the need for secure oil supplies from the Middle East was the true rationale for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

``I'm saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: The Iraq war is largely about oil,'' Greenspan wrote in a chapter titled ``The Long-Term Energy Squeeze.''

Huh. Go figure.

Alan Greenspan is a very smart man and again, entitled to his own opinion. But I haven't seen where this war has in any way decreased the United States' dependency on foreign oil, increased the US's access to oil or decreased prices for the consumers of foreign oil. When I see that, I'll consider that as the sole motivation.

you don't see it, because the invasion has failed.

P.S. I can't wait until the United States hits the jackpot on alternative fuel. Then maybe -- just maybe -- other nations won't consistently question out motivations. And this will happen, by the way.

And while I firmly believe that everyone has a voice here in the United States, it pains me to think of how hard our forefathers and mothers fought for YOUR freedoms and YOUR rights, while you rant and rave about how much you hate this country and everything it stands for. Sure -- dislike some of the administrations we've had and dislike some of the policies, but don't ever forget where we came from and why. Remember??? Someone was telling our ancestors how to worship, what they should say, what they should believe, how they should live and how they should die. Our ancestors fought long and hard to secure what you now take fully for granted, in this completely wealthy and priviledged society we live in! They fought hard for this very right -- the right to free speech. So that you could speak without getting your heads cut off! Don't forget it.

nice dodge, t-bone. :)

I did not ask you about England, as that monarchy is NOT slaugherting it's people. I specifically said "ALL dictatorships or monarchies where the citizens are being slaughtered".

"we should never turn our backs on genocide". interesting...so, you think we should be invading every country where this happens? there is NO way that we have enough soldiers to do so.

so, I'll ask again...why iraq instead of many other countries where the human rights abuses at the hands of the gov't are SO much worse? like, say, China? or the Congo? if that was truly the rational, that is, "the liberation of the oppressed", there are places we should have gone before iraq. and we didn't because it was never really about liberating the iraqis until it was proven that there were no WMDs, and that the admin knew that before we went.

a couple of other things...

NO ONE is ranting about how much we "hate this country and everything it stands for". seems that the "pro-war" folks are putting those words out there, not the "anti-war" folks. it's not our country that we hate...it's just the person and administration who's currently running it.

so we started the american revolution because "Someone was telling our ancestors how to worship, what they should say, what they should believe, how they should live and how they should die."

to a certain extent, isn't that sort of what WE are doing in iraq? albeit in a different way from Saddam Hussein, but still...

as for getting to say what we want without our heads getting cut off...sure, we don't face execution, just folks telling us to get out of the country.

J. Harvey, why don't you stick to your day job of sitting around on your ass and making fun of celebrities and outfits.
Like I would trust anything political that comes from anybody's mouth on a freaking celebrity gossip site.
If I want to learn about war, I would be more likely TO TALK TO SOMEONE WHO IS THERE RIGHT NOW then you. Stick to the gossip and shut the f**k up about things you know nothing about. That just makes me not want to look at this site EVER AGAIN.

I'm not really much of a "dodger" nastybugger. But yes, I guess if we had the strength and the allies to support us I'd force Democracy world-wide. The world would be a better place (slowly, and I'm sure with lots of mistakes along the way, but eventually). Over-throw all of them! But as I said before, we don't have the military might.

I love it when celebrities think they're intelligent.

Yo Val, beat it. you won't be missed here.

You have just as much right to be here as anyone else.

I don't want to hear some half baked out of touch yahoo like Fields making a political protest at an award show.

And that's why I'm proud to be Canadian. Geez, Fox (and the entire FCC) has got some serious issues.

[Insert REAL username here, like it matters?] said:

Why would anyone with an ounce of intelligence leave their real e-mail address out here? You liberals are plum nutty. plum crazy liberals.

ZeldaF--Technically, Congress did not vote for war. Rather they authorized the president the use of military force in Iraq based on the lies told to Congress that Iraq had WMDs. Had Congress "voted to go to war," as you stated, there would have been a formal "declaration of war." There was none. Instead, Congress decided to bow down to Bush and give him the power to authorize military force in Iraq.

The difference may be lost on most, but there is a difference, nonetheless. Additionally, because war was never declared, many refer to it as conflict, instead of as a war. Further, even if one could think of it as a war, the war ended the day that the Bush declared "Mission Accomplished." Currently, there is no war, but an occupation.

You're proud to be Canadian? Why oh why?

You're just a bunch of socialists ruled by the king and queen of England aren't you?

Ok Xicana. Fact is, Congress still authorized the President. Had the war gone as planned, those protesting the loudest now would have the loudest voices claiming victory over the evil dictator. Now they refer to it as "bowing down"; at the time, it was "toppling an evil dictator" who authorized the murders of hundreds of thousands of people (and who apparently, did not have the WMD as believed). But thank you for setting it straight, facts rather than irrational scathing attacks are always appreciated.

GOD have you even seen Brother's and Sister's? UGHHHHHHH Sallie Field does nothing by WHINE the whole hour!

"JohnDoe" You're a coward.

I'm also a proud Canadian. :o)Cheers.

xicana, in addition to what you wrote, they authorized the president to use force AFTER HE EXHAUSTED ALL DIPLOMATIC ROUTES. whether or not he did (I say no...), we'll probably never know the truth. And believe me, I am SICK that the dems did not stand up to him a little bit more than they did. but they were afraid of being called "unpatriotic" by their opposition. I wonder if things would have turned out differently if Paul Wellstone, a very outspoken critic of this "war" had not died in a plane crash.

zeldaF, unfortunately, the war couldn't go "as planned" because they didn't plan well.

they made NO contingency plans in case the war didn't go "as planned". no contingency plans as they were too arrogant to even CONSIDER that we might not be "greeted as liberators", that there would be an insurgency, that there would be different factions in the country fighting for power once Saddam was gone. also, they had no exit strategy.

I leave you folks with this quote from Teddy Roosevelt...

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

Get that people? questioning the president when you think he's wrong IS patriotic.

Nastybugger: I agree with you in part. One of the greatest lessons I ever learned was to "always question authority" - lest we suffer another haulocast. It was the servitude and apathy of the German people, and the rest of Europe that allowed Hitler (another great tyrranist) to manifest into the killing machine, like Saddam Hussein, that he was. As I remember, it was always said that this war in Iraq would not be short, it would take years. I don't really know what other back up plan there could be. The goal was to depose Hussein, set up a government and lead the Iraqi people to a democracy. People lined up and voted in Iraq for the first time in decades!!! It doesn't matter which side you're on. There are those who will defend what we've accomplished, and those like yourself, who will not be satisfied with the accomplishements. That's your choice, and I respect your right to be dis-satisfied. I, myself am by no means satisfied. I don't think anyone wants to see our men & women going off to war, innocent civilians dying in Iraq. But I personally believe it had to be done. At least in this country, we can agree to disagree.

Right on, ZeldaF! Should have exiled Saddam many years ago and planted the seeds of democracy way back when!

that's funny, I remember the term they used for this "war" to be "a cakewalk".

the only started saying "years" when it was revealed how poorly they misjudged the results of the invasion.

and you're right, I won't ever be satisfied because I don't think we should have invaded in the first place. it's now clear that the UN inspections were working and, as I've said before, there are vicious dictators all over the world...why iraq was any more worthy to invade due to a despot has never been answered. it is not the US's business to tell other countries HOW they must be run, or by whom.

bugger, do you have any source for the "cakewalk" reference? As far as deposing Saddam, I can't think of any term that fits more, but I still don't remember it being used. As to the war on terrorism, W said, and the congress and senate were well aware and agreed that it was going to be a long process to bring the terrorists to heel. Leftwingers now want to revise history and lay it all on W, and the thing no leftist gives W credit for is his willingness to also lay the blame on himself - he's never shirked his responsibility in this, unlike other elected heroes like the communist bitch, Hillary. To hear her speak now, she never even HEARD of Saddam and certainly not Iraq. Back then, she told Saddam to "disarm or BE disarmed" and bragged how right she was when we captured him - now she calls a 4 star general a traitor and a mouthpiece for a lying president.

In general, I have no problem with people disagreeing with me and yet loving their country, but don't sit there and tell me you can't say the pledge of allegiance and that America had it coming on 9/11, because then I am going to tell you to go phuck yourself and to find a better country somewhere that you can support.

What a fun celeb gossip site!

Ride Lo

Pfhew..... I'm exhausted. Anyone up for a double martini? Crater Lake Vodka, stirred (not shaken) neat, double Stilton cheese stuffed olive? T-Bone? LoRider? Ugh? Stoli? Bugger? AppleSpice? I'll buy the first round!

God you Americans are so over-sensitive and opinionated about everything!

One person gives her opinion and it becomes a major scandal.

Fox news knew exactly what they were doing by censoring her. Free publicity for Fox!

Someone is sitting back in his boardroom, smiling smuggly as people talk about and watch his channel (even though we hate it).

Fox wins again!!!!!!

From a teeny tiny island out in the middle of no fucking where...... Sally Field was censored because she said "God Damned" which is NOT allowed on our network television. Is it on NZ network tv? Don't you critisize the US. We all appreciate NZ's efforts, but fact is, you're not exactly a world player. You're lucky you're NOT speaking German.

Little John Doe,you are exactly why people all over the world hate America and American's.It is called ignorance.Canada is not ruled by a king and Queen,as there is only a Oueen right now.We are also ruled by own elected offical's.We keep the Queen many only as figure-head to our past.As you,being American should know,a countries history is alway's of relavance.Yes,we use some socialist system's such as HEALH-CARE for all.Something you folk's desire badly.We have welfare,so do you.Those are the two major socialist values.You cannot call us monarchist and socialist.Please choose one you ignorant.
Please,when and if you decide to reply to me or attack my country verbally,remember to first tell your countrymen to stop wearing Canadian
Flag's on their backpack's or luggage when you they travel throughout the world,so that they will feel safer and given a chance to be liked.People of the world know the difference between a real Canadian and an American.It is also very embarrasing for us.And you and folk's like you better get use to treating us much nicer,since we actually hold your countries furture in our hand's with our oil and natural resources that you need so badly.Especially now that it is dollar for dollar and our's continueing to go up.The world love's us because we are a caring,truely muticultural,free society.Also,before you even mention that we need your military protection.Get your head straight.We can protect ourselve's.We are the one's fighting and putting in place Democacy in Afganistan.You folk's could'nt even win there.So,learn your fact's.I like most of my fellow countrymen and woman pray for your troop's as well as our's,natually.Whether people are for or against these war's is second to the safety of all the allied troop's.This is a time for all of us to come together but,it is people like you,full of ignorance,that make no one wish to help your country.You should wake-up and realize that your countries time as the world's power house is coming to a fast end,unless,you stick with your allies.I love Canada and I love America.May we both get along and be BLESSED BY GOD.I hope that if we ever correspond again.It will be as allies and not me giving you history fact's and more thruth's.And tell you government to stop borrowing billion's from China.

The Fact: Ever heard of grammar & spell check? John Doe isn't the only one who sounds ignorant. Yes, his remark was, I'll agree with you there. But correction on the balance. The rest of the world doesn't hate Americans. I know, I travel all over the world extensively on business. Most of the rest of the world doesn't agree with our politics, but that's ok. Doing the "rignt thing" doesn't always win the popularity contest. I know you like to believe that all Americans wear your flag on our luggage or back pack to ensure our safety when traveling; I wouldn't dream of it and I don't know anyone else who would either. No, the future of The USA is definitely NOT in the hands of Canada; don't fool yourself. Ever heard of Alaska? Biofuel? And yes, your country does have a much better health care system, which you can easily afford because you don't put those financial reserves into your military. You and I both know that The USA would protect Canada like we'd protect ourselves. Because that's what we do, defend the underdog. But if you're so certain that you can defend your own borders, may I suggest you begin doing so and stop allowing terrorists to sneak into your country to then cross into The USA (think Washington State, December of 2000?). Obviously, you've got a lot to learn when it comes to defending your borders. So before you critisize my country, you need to come out of your little fantasy world, breathe the real air, and learn the facts yourself. But I'm glad you were able to rant & rave & "got it off your chest". I get so sick & tired of "the little brother complex" you so whiningly demonstrated.

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